How can we have peace on earth when sinful man that does not have the Holy Spirit by believing the true gospel of Jesus, is here on earth? Will God make peace with the devil and the evil spirits?
According to the scriptures, the only peace we will ever have on this earth is: Rom.5 [1] Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ: John 14: [26] But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you. [27] Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you: not as the world giveth, give I unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid.
John.16 [33] These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world.
Matt.10 [22] And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved.
Matthew 10: [34] Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. [35] For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law. [36] And a man's foes shall be they of his own household. [37] He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me. [38] And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me. [39] He that findeth his life shall lose it: and he that loseth his life for my sake shall find it. [40] He that receiveth you receiveth me, and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me.
Galatians 4: [22] For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman. [23] But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise. [24] Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar. [25] For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children. [26] But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all. [27] For it is written, Rejoice, thou barren that bearest not; break forth and cry, thou that travailest not: for the desolate hath many more children than she which hath an husband. [28] Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise. [29] But as then he that was born after the flesh PERSECUTED HIM THAT WAS BORN OF THE SPIRIT[, EVEN SO IT IS NOW, 30] Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman. [31] So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman, but of the free.
BELIEVE ME, THERE WILL ALWAYS BE PROBLEMS FOR THE TRUE CHRISTIAN IN THIS LIFE.
John.15 [20] Remember the word that I said unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord. If they have persecuted me, they will also persecute you; if they have kept my saying, they will keep yours also.
But God will put an end to sin and the devil, and evil spirits, in the lake of fire and brimstone, It shall also be poured out on those that do not repent and accept Jesus as their Savior. But God's adopted children by Jesus Christ shall dwell with God forever more and there shall be everlasting peace thoughout eternity. Rev.21 [1] And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. [2] And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. [3] And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God. [4] And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
From"Early will I Seek Thee" by Eugenia Price. It gives one a vaguely uneasy feeling to think of the horror smeared accross the bloody face of the world because of the shortage of peace.............. No answer to the individual heart cries for peace............... Why? Because we are seeking peace in the wrong places.By wrong methods. We have misunderstood, or purposely twisted what the angels said when the Prince of Peace was born......... we act as though the angels prophesied something yet to come in one crashing ,silver moment. The angels did not prophesy peace at all. They proclaimed it.! They proclaimed that peace itself lay in the manger and would hang on a cross,and then walk bodily out of a tomb, to save the people from their sins. Peace only comes to the world when the people in the world are peaceful people. And peace only comes to a people when they are rightly related to the Father by faith in His Son ,Jesus Christ Peace comes when Christ comes in.
Okay, so most people believe that peace will come onto the earth when Christ comes again? So, does that mean at the rapture for the pride of Christ the church? Or does most people believe it’s when Christ will come in manifestation declared ‘king of king, and lord of lord’ when he return to earth? This may be slightly of topic cause its really a question of pre-tribulation etc
Mr Sinclair, I do not understand the belief of the rapture of the church? Or you talking about people believing that Christian will just disappear and be raptured to heaven? I find that kind of a mysticism.
I believe the bible only speaks about Jesus coming and with the brightness of His coming destroy the works of the devil. Also it states that when Jesus comes it will be lightening from one end of heaven to the other and all the world shall see him as He is.
This is an article is intended for young folk like myself in regards to the rapture. I personally, have not fully studied the topic in any great depth, so not sure what I believe yet, but working on it. But the underlying the believes of the rapture, is dispensational teaching, the difference between the church--bride of Christ, and Israel --- the friend of the bridegroom. The rapture folk would also point to Rom 9, 10, and 11 to show Israel's past, present and future and that they believe Israel will be restored. I could extend onwhat I have been taught by some of my friends.
Okay, this paper is wrote by Jack Hay who goes to Perth Gospel Hall
The Rapture INTRODUCTION The subject of Bible prophecy is intriguing, especially in light of developing events in the Middle East and other parts of the world. While no one suggests that it is easy to understand where every little piece of the prophetic jigsaw should be placed, it is important to be familiar with the main events and where they fit in. The event that will trigger the others is what we call The Rapture. Subsequent to that there will be on earth The Great Tribulation (Mt 24.21). At the end of the Great Tribulation there will be "the coming of the Son of Man" (Mt 24.37). We call this The Appearing in Glory, when the Lord Jesus will return right down to the earth. He will then establish His kingdom in this world for a thousand years (Rev 20.1-6). Hence we call that last period of human history The Millennium. It has often been stated that the word rapture is never found in the Bible, but though the word is not there, the fact of it is. The dictionary defines it as, a seizing and carrying away. This concept is conveyed in the words "caught up" in 1 Thessalonians 4.17, where we are told that at the coming of the Lord Jesus living believers will caught up to meet Him. So it is legitimate to call what takes place at His coming, the Rapture.
THE RAPTURE PROMISED - John 14.1-3 In the upper room, the Lord Jesus promised that He would return to take His own people to be with Himself. When He said, "I will come again", the tense of the verb He used indicates a brief time between His going and His coming, and so we speak of the imminence of the return of the Lord Jesus, that is, the fact that he could come at any moment. New Testament believers expected Him to return imminently, as seen from the following references. Please take time to check them. Romans 13.11-14; Philippians 3.20-21; 1 Thessalonians 1.9-10; Hebrews 10.37; James 5.8; 1 Peter 4.7; 1 John 2.18; Jude v.21. Our expectation is, "Perhaps today!". THE RAPTURE PREDICTED - 1 Thessalonians 4.13-18 This is the passage which gives the greatest detail about the Rapture. Its main purpose was to enlighten the believers regarding the status of their friends who had died (v.13). Paul is careful to stress that while the truth he was unfolding was new, he was stating it "by the word of the Lord" (v.15), that is, it had been revealed to him by the Lord Himself. We learn a number of things: * The Lord will descend from heaven to the air. At the Appearing in Glory, He will come right down to the earth (Zech 14.4).
* "Sleeping" saints will be resurrected before the living are raptured. The resurrection of Christ is the guarantee of their resurrection (v.14).
* Living saints will be "caught up together" with raised ones, the word together implying reunion (v.17).
* All of them will "meet the Lord", and the meeting place will be "in the air".
THE RAPTURE PICTURED - Hebrews 11.5
The experience of Enoch whereby he went to heaven without dying is a picture of the Rapture. The word "translated" is used to describe what happened to him. It simply means a "change", or "removal". His brief history is in Genesis 5.21-24. Check the ages of those mentioned and discover that while Adam was the first man to die naturally, before another man had died Enoch had been taken to heaven without dying at all. As early as that, God was showing that it was possible to go to heaven without dying. Enoch is a foreshadowing of saints who will be raptured at the coming of the Lord. While waiting, be like Enoch, and have this testimony, "He pleased God".
PASSAGES TO STUDY AND QUESTIONS TO ANSWER
1 Read 1 Thessalonians 1.9-10, and 5.9-10 to see that believers of this church age will be taken to heaven before the "wrath" of the Great Tribulation comes. Jesus is our deliverer from it, and God has appointed us to salvation from it.
2 Read Revelation 19.11-21 to discover details of the Lord's appearing in glory. Note down the various names of the Lord Jesus from v.11 to v.16.
3 Look at John 14.1-3 again. In that context how does the Lord describe the purpose of His coming?
4 Reference has been made to Romans 13.11-14. Read v.11 again. You have been taught that you received salvation when you believed, and so you did (Ephesians 2.. There are various aspects of salvation, and the verse in Romans refers to the future aspect when we will be saved from the very presence of sin at the Lord's coming. Using a concordance, find a verse which speaks about "salvation ready to be revealed in the last time".
5 In 1 Thessalonians 4, sleep is an illustration of death. This does not mean that the soul sleeps, for see Luke 23.43; Acts 7.59; 2 Corinthians 5.8; Philippians 1.23. Of whom did the Lord Jesus say, "Our friend ------- sleepeth", and of whom does it say in Acts that, "he fell asleep"?
6 Read 1 Corinthians 15.22-23. Note again that the resurrection of the Lord Jesus guarantees the believer's resurrection at His coming. The same chapter shows that not every believer will die, but "we shall all be changed". How long will it take to effect this change? (The answer is in the passage.)
7 Read 1 John 3.1-3. What should be the practical outcome of the fact that we have the hope of being like Christ?
8 1 Thessalonians 4 refers to us meeting the Lord. Read Genesis 24.61-67 to see a picture of that meeting. Who were the two people who met?
9 We refer to Enoch as antediluvian, that is, he lived before the flood. He was "translated" before the flood came, a picture of the fact that believers will be raptured before the Great Tribulation. Where is he called "the seventh from Adam"? (Use a concordance.)
10 Read 2 Timothy 3.1-5. Can you see the features of "the last days" in the world today? If so, does it not indicate that "the coming of the Lord draweth nigh"?
If this is all rubbish, please teach me the truth giving scriptural evidence please God bless xx
I will seek to answer the above over the next few days but for the moment;
The following is from
D.H. Kuiper
"the text most referred to by the Premillennialists, I Thess. 4:13-17, simply does not prove a sudden, silent "rapture", and a separate resurrection of the righteous and wicked. Rather it teaches: a visible, noticeable (shout, voice, trump) return of Christ; the resurrection of the bodies of dead saints followed immediately by the translation of those saints who are alive at Christ's coming, without saying anything about the wicked; that the saints shall forever remain with their Lord, suggesting not that they return to this mundane earth again in their glorified, spiritual, incorruptible bodies, but that they remain with Christ in heavenly glory! Further, Christ Himself makes clear there is but one resurrection: "Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming in which all that are in the graves shall hear His voice and shall come forth; they that have done good unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil unto the resurrection of damnation" John 5:28,29. The Scriptures reveal one second coming of Christ, one resurrection at His coming, and one judgment.
At fault is the method of interpretation followed by adherents of this system. A sound rule is that difficult passages of the Word, which Rev. 20 certainly is, must be explained in the light of simpler texts. One cannot escape the feeling, however, that with this view a preconceived theory is brought to Scripture, difficult passages are appealed to as proof, and then the attempt is made to b ring many simpler passages into line with the theory. The result is a violent splitting asunder of the Word, and thus of the redemptive work of God! But God is one. His Word is one (presented in two testaments, prophecy and fulfillment), and redemption is Jesus Christ is one! "
I would put a serious question mark over the use of the word "Rapture" based upon the following:
The Origin of the Word ‘Rapture’
By Craig Bluemel
The Rapture is a doctrine used by the Christian church to explain what will happen when Jesus Christ returns to save his church from the Great Tribulation. The word, “Rapture,” is not found in the Old Testament or New Testament Scriptures, whether in the original languages or English Bible translations. The origin of rapture is an interesting path to follow because it explains how this concept was initiated and blended to fit with eschatological views of the 2nd Coming of Christ. The ‘Rapture’ has been both trivialized as a literary expression for intense joy or pleasure, and used to describe millenarian Christian eschatology.
The word ‘rapture’ itself is from the Latin raptus, and it connotes either apocalyptic spiritual overtones or possessive and physical undertones. The origin of rapture dates to the late 16th century, (directly or via French rapere) from Medieval Latin raptura “seizure,” from the Latin cognate raptus, meaning, “seized and taken, kidnapped by force, snatched hold of and then taken hostage, carried off or away.” In Medieval time, raptus was sometimes used to describe the euphoria soldiers experienced after defeating a foe in battle, then seizing the opponent, and taking him away as captive. Greek raptus virginum Sabinarum is a reference to the Sabine virgins, who were raped and abducted.
There is a literary connection between the words ‘rapture’ and ‘rape.’ To rape someone is to force somebody to have sex. Rape also implies the use of force to violate something, or to treat something in a violent, destructive, or abusive way (e.g. - Rape the land for its resources). During the brutal conquests of the 14th century, Anglo-Norman ‘rapers’ pillaged the land and people, and this term ‘raper’ meant to seize and carry off somebody or something by force (archaic). The word raper is directly from Latin rapere “to seize.”
The use and meaning of the word ‘rapture’ has changed dramatically over time. Rapture is a noun that means:
1. Overwhelming happiness: a euphoric transcendent state in which somebody is overwhelmed by happiness or delight and unaware of anything else.
2. In Christianity mystical transportation: a mystical experience of being transported into the spiritual realm, sometimes applied to the second coming of Jesus Christ when true believers are expected to rise up to join him in heaven.[1]
If you are familiar with the Latin words used to describe a specific class of birds of prey, such as eagles or hawks, they are known as, “raptors,” because of their method of hunting, which is to, “seize,” live prey with their sharp, powerful talons, grasping rodents or fish unaware or hopelessly trying to escape, and then they, “carry it away.” The raptor as a bird of prey is also from the 14th century Latin, “robber,” which is also derived from the obsolete French word rapere.
You stated Mark that you would answer, over the next days. I believe RayaRenee, others, and I would find your response rather interesting. Your argument over the word of the "rapture" does not hold any weight, as there are many theological ideologies which we use to term concepts which are not in the scriptures, i ncluding “free will”, “hyperdispensationalism” or even “suppersessionism”etc.
In the article previous which I posted, I did agree that the word “rapture “is not found in the scripture but, it must be stressed that does not mean the principle of it is excluded thereof. Our dispensational friends understand that there is a difference between the church and Israel, and the prophecies, which are recorded in the scriptures concerning Israel, as a nation still needs to be fulfilled. So they would take it that there is only one second coming of Christ, but it is in two parts, firstly Christ will come for his bride the “church”, - air. Then to the nation of Israel “the friend of the bridegroom” – earth Zech 12:8-10 ‘In that day shall the LORD defend the inhabitants of Jerusalem; and he that is feeble among them at that day shall be as David; and the house of David shall be as God, as the angel of the LORD before them. ‘And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem. ‘And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn’
Your comment “We must avoid the subtle confusions the enemy of truth would seek to employ” Is rather harsh and demeaning as there have been great men of God who understands this way of thinking on eschatology, such as J.N. Darby, Moody, Torrey, Scofield, Ironside.
I don't have time to discuss the "rapture" as you believe it. I only believe that Jesus will come again and receive us unto Himself. The wicked will be destroyed by the brightness of His coming.
Then when Jesus returns with the Holy City Jerusalem, which is brought to the earth, the wicked dead will be raised and judged according to their works, as they did not accept Jesus. They passed away their time for accepting Jesus as their righteousness, sanctification and redemption so God gave them what they wanted, the temporary sinful pleasure of this life, as they had no time for Him. They have no covering from the wrath of God. They will be destroyed forever.
Then the earth will be renewed and those that believe and have accepted Jesus as their only hope will live with Him forever and ever more!! May God be praised!! Then we shall have peace forever and ever more~!!
Isaiah48:18.O. that thou had hearkened to my commandments , then had thy peace been as a river , and thy righteousness as the waves of the sea.Isa.57:12 The righteous perisheth, and no man layeth it to heart; and merciful men are taken away, none considering that the righteous is taken away from the evil to come .2.He shall enter into peace; they shall rest in their beds , each one walking in his righteousness".20.2 2But the wicked are like the troubled sea, when it cannot rest, whose waters cast up mire and dirt.21 . There is no peace , saith my God to the wicked." 2John 14 :27"Peace I leave with you, My peace I give unto you ,not as the world giveth give I unto you. "All believers in some measure will know this peace.Faithful is he who promised.This peace is internal, and through the knowledge that we are justified by faith. War rages externally and must rage, for the believer cannot have peace with the world, for the world is at enmity with God .If we have peace with the world ,we must question our relationship with God.But the believer looks to the peace that is to come , the eternal peace, when he shall enter into into the kingdom of the Father." they shall obtain joy and gladness, and sorrow and sighing shall flee away"Isa.35:10
Come on Raynee you can do better than this and i quote you as saying ,...I don't have time to discuss the "rapture" as you believe it. I only believe that Jesus will come again and receive us unto Himself. The wicked will be destroyed by the brightness of His coming.YOU DONT HAVETIME TO DISCUSS....come on raynee thats a cop out ....well said mr sinclair ...you have raynee on the ropes ....avoiding the wood for the trees.
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. There are various aspects of salvation, and the verse in Romans refers to the future aspect when we will be saved from the very presence of sin at the Lord's coming. Using a concordance, find a verse which speaks about "salvation ready to be revealed in the last time".
